For minister Sean Fraser, immigration and housing are more than just numbers games – Macleans.ca

Sean Fraser, Canada’s new minister of housing, infrastructure and communities, poses in Merigomish, N.S. (Photography by Darren Calabrese)

On the off likelihood you overhear a Canadian bragging, it’s often to say that that is the best nation on the planet. It may violate our nationwide modesty coverage so as to add that we’re now additionally one of the vital fascinating, however the information’s there: in 2022, we welcomed near one million newcomers (a document) and, a 12 months prior, unseated the U.S. because the number-one vacation spot for worldwide staff. People need to come to Canada, and Canada actually needs them right here.

In June, staring down the continuing labour scarcity, the federal authorities introduced a revamped federal express-entry system, full with shiny new expedited pathways to everlasting residency for U.S. H-1B visa holders and immigrants with sought-after experience in fields like well being care, tech and, crucially, the trades. Prior to a shock cupboard shuffle by the Prime Minister in late July, the person chargeable for delivering on the federal government’s formidable goal—500,000 immigrants yearly by 2025—was Sean Fraser, then the minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship.

Fraser, a skilled lawyer and dependable Nova Scotian, spent his complete life watching expertise flee his dwelling province for extra promising alternatives elsewhere. His outdated workplace is going through a backlog 800,000 purposes deep—to not point out newly pressing questions on Canada’s affordability, thanks partly to our bonkers actual property market. Those identical questions observe Fraser into his new function as minister of housing, infrastructure and communities. When Maclean’s spoke with him within the weeks main as much as his new appointment, Fraser was satisfied that Canada is the place to be, warts and all.

According to Statistics Canada’s “population clock,” Canada hit 40 million folks simply earlier than 3 p.m. EST on Friday, June 16. Where had been you if you heard the news?

I feel I noticed it on social media in some unspecified time in the future; I wasn’t monitoring it. My thoughts is on whether or not folks get reunited with households and whether or not companies can entry staff.

So no plaque? No balloons?

I hate to disappoint. We did have a cake for my two-year-old’s birthday yesterday. He’s getting too massive too rapidly.

You’re 39; I’m 35. I don’t learn about you, however I’ve cited the 30 million–ish factoid so long as I’ve been alive. Is it exhausting to wrap your head round this new milestone?

Looking again at my earliest citizenship ceremonies, my speeches typically included one thing like, “There’s not one way to be Canadian, but 38 million different ways.” I’ve needed to shift that. But Canada’s been ascending the ranks of nations folks most need to transfer to for financial alternatives. The U.S. and Germany used to take the highest two spots. It’s not a race, although.

Immigration will not be a race, however your workplace is banking on many, many extra folks turning into everlasting residents. Like, 500,000 extra, yearly.

People should watch out when making an attempt to grasp these numbers. It’s not unusual for half of the “new” everlasting residents within the annual depend to have already been right here as non permanent ones—some are non permanent international staff or worldwide college students. Last 12 months, we added 437,000 everlasting residents. We’re a gradual improve to 500,000 by 2025.

More than ever, the immigration dialog centres on labour—or how Canada will substitute the large wave of retiring staff. You just lately launched a category-specific entry technique, with choice given to staff in particular industries, like well being care. How does this method differ from the outdated one?

We want to reply to the abilities gaps ensuing from the altering financial system and retiring staff. (For what it’s value, 50 years in the past, there have been seven staff for each retiree on this nation. In Atlantic Canada, the place I’m, it’s now nearer to 2.) The federal express-entry system scores candidates primarily based on components like schooling and language expertise. The new parameters additionally take the highest-scoring candidates in in-demand sectors—extra medical doctors, extra homebuilders and extra tech staff.

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Back in June, you unveiled the nation’s first-ever tech expertise technique—its precise title—to create a gentle pipeline of American-dwelling H-1B visa holders to Canada. Are you trying a reverse brain-drain?

The transfer wasn’t pushed by little-brother syndrome. It was a real-time response to layoffs at some U.S. tech giants. If you’re on an H-1B visa and also you lose your job, you both should discover a new one or depart inside 60 days. Some of these staff may need to keep within the North American market. We’d be joyful to have them.

You’re additionally courting digital nomads—folks whose jobs permit them to work from wherever on the planet. What’s your elevator pitch when folks ask, “Why work from Canada when you could work from home?”

Come right here for as much as six months to check drive Canada whereas nonetheless working for a international employer. If you obtain a legitimate job provide from an organization right here, you may apply for a piece allow. The actual worth proposition, although, is the prospect to turn into one in all us. Don’t underestimate how highly effective that’s. People born to Canadian mother and father typically take our every day rewards with no consideration: with the ability to go to the physician if you get sick and incomes a significant revenue in case you work exhausting and have expertise to supply.

Bringing folks to Canada en masse isn’t successful unto itself; they want to have the ability to thrive after they get right here. Many residents and everlasting residents are with out household medical doctors, they’re being crushed by housing costs—even groceries. It’s not truly so simple as “hard work pays off” anymore.

You have to have a look at the counterfactual in case you’re going to say it’ll be harder for newcomers and residents to thrive on this nation in case you add extra folks.

That’s not what I’m saying.

When I used to be an MP candidate in 2015, the most important controversies in my province had been the closures of River John Elementary School and the psychological well being unit at Aberdeen Hospital, one of many largest regional hospitals in northern Nova Scotia. One psychiatrist left and it grew to become too unsafe to function your complete unit. Look at a neighborhood machine store that hires international staff, and also you’ll understand that the job of each tradesperson on the ground can depend upon a linchpin worker. Before we get into what we have to do to accommodate these arriving in Canada, we must always acknowledge the drastic penalties our communities will endure if we undertake a adverse method towards newcomers. So, with that big preamble out of the way in which—

I’m going to interrupt you right here. I understand that, with these new targets, you’re particularly in search of, say, building professionals to construct the homes folks have to stay in, which is able to improve general affordability.

I can let you know that, one year a 12 months, I’ll select the issue of getting to quickly construct extra homes as a result of so many individuals need to transfer to my neighborhood over dropping faculties and hospitals as a result of so many individuals are leaving.

Fair, however it’s not an either-or. Righting the housing market will take time. Immigrants are arriving now in a system that already has large cracks in it.

We’ve woken as much as the truth that we have to use our immigration insurance policies to assist remedy a few of our social challenges moderately than exacerbate them. Yes, we’re bringing in homebuilders, however we’ve additionally acquired new regional methods, like the brand new Rural and Northern Immigration Pilot, which might unfold folks out extra evenly, so that they don’t all land in Ontario.

And the settlement providers?

Generally talking, there’s federally funded language coaching and employment help. Other providers will go so far as that will help you open a checking account or signal your children up for soccer. There is not any silver bullet, however the good news is, if you have a look at the youngsters of newcomers, their outcomes are roughly on par with children whose mother and father had been born right here.

I respect that it is a extremely advanced lengthy recreation, however in Toronto, the place I stay, metropolis officers have been coping with a 500 per cent improve within the variety of asylum seekers within the shelter system. I can’t depend what number of tales I’ve examine skilled medical doctors driving Ubers. Immigration detainees, a few of whom might not current a significant threat to public security, are languishing in provincial jails. This can be Canada.

These points should be addressed. We’re not used to receiving this many asylum claims or irregular border crossings, which was an actual problem at Roxham Road. One of the boys who delivered meals for my son’s birthday was a dentist making an attempt to get certified to practise in Nova Scotia. It frustrates me. Each of these issues requires a novel resolution. We’re additionally going to do what, I feel, most serves Canada’s long-term pursuits: embrace formidable immigration in focused areas to fulfill the wants of the financial system.

Do you ever assume that having an impenetrable gratitude mindset stops Canadians from grappling with critical systemic points?

I’m not going to let you know that Canada is ideal—not by an extended shot. When I communicate at citizenship ceremonies, I typically speak in regards to the Charter values that bind us, but in addition the instances that we fell wanting them. We simply handed the a centesimal anniversary of the Chinese Exclusion Act, which prevented Chinese folks from coming right here—lots of whom already had family members right here who helped to construct Canada. Still, many international locations can’t brazenly confront their challenges as a result of they’re not a liberal democracy. We are. Looking on the different facet of the coin, there’s so much to be thankful for.

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Apparently, your workplace now makes use of “advanced analytics” to decrease processing instances. Is AI deciding who will get in and who stays out?

Let me be clear: an officer, a human being, makes the ultimate selections in all instances. I’ll add that, throughout the pandemic, we digitized most of our paper recordsdata. We didn’t increase a “Mission accomplished!” banner, however folks had been excited.

Isn’t know-how nice?

Yeah, when it really works.

Where does the Fraser clan hail from?

We fled Scotland throughout the Highland Clearances 250 years in the past and washed up on the shores of Nova Scotia 10 minutes from New Glasgow, the place I stay now. My mother and father are in Merigomish, which has a pair hundred folks, eight of whom are associated to me. It’s the sort of place the place we come out of the woods to go searching, to place issues in perspective.

I additionally heard you play the bagpipes—part of your heritage.

Thanks to my grandfather. He was born in Canada however very a lot a traditional grumpy outdated Scotsman. Come hell or excessive water, I used to be going to play the pipes.

Have you actually mastered any tunes? If you’re not good on the bagpipes, uh…

They’re stunning when anyone’s enjoying them nicely. I can play many of the conventional tunes, like “Sleepy Maggie.” I as soon as performed a New Year’s Eve present with an AC/DC tribute band. I did the bagpipe a part of “It’s a Long Way to the Top.”

Now for a little bit of Maclean’s historical past: we used to have an award referred to as Parliamentarians of the Year. In 2021, you had been a finalist for Best Orator, alongside Alain Therrien of the Bloc Québécois and Pierre Poilievre. You received.

I loved the back-and-forth that I had with Pierre. I wouldn’t be stunned if, for some time, I took extra questions from him than some other member of the House of Commons. Anyway, it’s good to be acknowledged in your contributions.

Speaking of, at a televised occasion again in May, you had been launched as “Mr. Sexy” by Hedy Fry, a fellow Liberal MP. Is this an official title? Is there some sort of inner rating on a regular basis Canadians aren’t conscious of?

God bless Hedy—I feel she made that up on the spot. So no official award. My associates are having extra enjoyable with that than they should. I worry it could stick.

Did the Prime Minister get categorical entry into this competitors?

When you’re up shut, the man appears to be like like a film star. I hope that, no matter his look, folks will bear in mind his authorities for the issues it solved and the folks it helped.

Well, most of us would moderately be extra valued for our brains than our appears to be like.

That’s proper.

Are there any citizenship ceremonies that stand out to you as particularly poignant?

On Canada Day, new residents from 9 totally different international locations took their oaths at a Blue Jays recreation. I had my daughter with me—a seven-year-old hugging a bunch of latest Canadians, pure pleasure on their faces. Thousands of individuals had been cheering. The near-universal response was to welcome.