‘Obviously I had emotions’: Shandro recounts driveway confrontation during law society conduct hearing | 24CA News

Alberta authorities minister Tyler Shandro began Day 3 on the stand for his Law Society of Alberta (LSA) conduct listening to recounting an incident on a health care provider’s driveway.

A variety of delays and in-camera discussions prolonged the tribunal past the originally-scheduled three days.

On Wednesday, the justice minister recalled the circumstances and occasions round two of the three citations he’s dealing with from when he was the province’s well being minister.

One quotation comes from his entry to and use of two medical doctors’ non-public cellular phone numbers outdoors of normal business hours following a Feb. 26, 2020, press convention on the Red Deer Regional Hospital.

Another quotation is about his e mail response to Janice Fraser, who he knew previous to changing into MLA of Calgary-Acadia. In that March 20, 2020, response, Shandro threatened to refer Fraser to “protective services” after she despatched a message to his spouse.

On Thursday, Shandro offered testimony to the ultimate quotation surrounding his go to to Dr. Mukarram Zaidi’s dwelling on March 21, 2020, the place he allegedly yelled on the physician from the road.

He disputed the account Zaidi gave on Tuesday.

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Shandro’s facet of the story

“I know (Zaidi) to be a very vocal and passionate person. I do not believe that he would have tolerated anyone yelling at him.”

The then-health minister stated he went to the physician’s dwelling as a result of they had been neighbours and had a multi-year historical past of sitting on the board of the Calgary-West Progressive Conservative constituency affiliation, and he went there alone.

Zaidi’s testimony from Day 1 of the listening to acknowledged that Shandro was emotional and visibly upset.

On Thursday, Shandro testified he was not in tears when Zaidi got here out to greet him on the finish of the driveway. Being early within the COVID-19 pandemic, Shandro stated the 2 males stored their distance.

“Obviously I had emotions,” he stated. “Most of the emotions were disappointment and sadness at what a friend had done.

“Definitely not crying at that time or at any time.”

Shandro stated the interplay with the physician got here the day after one other man allegedly visited his spouse’s workplace, making threats of bodily violence.

Police interviewed his spouse at their dwelling on Friday, March 20, 2020, after he returned from working within the Alberta legislature in Edmonton. Shandro stated the potential of threats coming to their dwelling upset them and their sons.

That incident at Shandro’s spouse’s office was preceded by an growing variety of threats and social media posts alleging conflicts of curiosity between Shandro as then-health minister and the household’s holdings in Vital Partners, a third-party well being advantages brokerage led by Shandro’s spouse.

Shandro stated there was “such a volume” of threats that, as an alternative of forwarding them to Neil Lettis, superintendent of the Alberta Sheriff’s Executive Protection Unit, he put his spouse in direct contact with Lettis.

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The subsequent day, Shandro stated he was watching tv together with his sons whereas his spouse did some work elsewhere in the home.

She known as him over to see a meme reposted by Zaidi of Shandro with a thought bubble containing the phrases “So every Albertan I can kick off health care is another client we can sign up to Vital Partners! We’re going to be rich!”

That’s when Shandro determined to go away his home.

“I thought, ‘It’s daylight. I’ll go see Mukarram (and) talk about this,’” Shandro testified, including he was in “disbelief” an acquaintance would categorical the considerations the best way he did.

Shandro stated he addressed the physician by his first identify, indicating they knew each other and had been acquainted with every others’ households.

He then requested if he knew the allegations of battle of curiosity had been leading to loss of life threats.

On Tuesday, Zaidi stated he was unaware of any threats or cyberbullying of Shandro’s spouse when he posted the meme.

Shandro stated he was “animated” within the method one would whereas talking with a buddy who brought about disappointment and frustration, and that his voice was loud sufficient to hole the social distancing however not so loud that neighbours might simply eavesdrop.

The minister stated they talked about modifications to billing codes for medical doctors and he characterised Zaidi’s behaviour and physique language as “one of regret” after Shandro advised him concerning the loss of life threats.

On Tuesday, Zaidi confronted a number of cross-examination questions, asking if he posted the meme to “embarass” the Shandros, which he denied.

Zaidi did say seeing Shandro in a “heightened” state on the finish of his driveway “caught me by surprise.”

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After the temporary dialog concerning the codes, Shandro stated Zaidi was “still looking down at the driveway, looking regretful and perhaps a little embarrassed, and he said softly ‘What do I do? Do I delete the post?’

“I specifically and explicitly did not take him up on that.”

Shandro stated he reiterated his want for Zaidi to know the threats being addressed to his spouse.

The minister stated his spouse finally joined him, showing to have just lately cried, however didn’t put her arms round him, as Zaidi had earlier testified.

Shandro stated she didn’t deal with the physician, however as an alternative advised her husband, “Don’t talk to him. He’s not interested in us. He’s only interested in money.”

Shandro stated he later noticed Zaidi eliminated his reposting of the meme and the physician’s follow-up assertion that whereas he could have disagreements with the well being minister about major care, he did “not support any threat against the Honorable Minister Tyler Shandro and his family. We support civilised discussion.”

LSA lawyer Ken McEwan revealed Zaidi had posted the identical meme and message — “So Tyler Shandro your business (Vital Partners) seems in conflict with your position in government, what say you?” – to a number of Twitter accounts and hadn’t deleted all of them — some extent Zaidi raised to McEwan in a single day.

Zaidi beforehand testified he was lively on a number of social media accounts for varied advocacy efforts, together with major well being care and considerations for individuals of the Muslim religion.

Shandro stated the 2 males didn’t talk after that driveway confrontation, regardless of having every others’ telephone numbers and e mail addresses.

Shandro stated he discovered of a attainable story of the interplay within the media from MLA Mike Ellis, who Shandro had supported in a Calgary-West byelection and was an acquaintance of Zaidi as nicely.

The minister stated he “had an indication” from Ellis {that a} news story was going to be revealed concerning the incident, and determined it wasn’t a good suggestion to comply with up with the physician.

When questioned why he gave round 9 interviews with different media shops, having beforehand acknowledged he wished to maintain the matter non-public, Zaidi stated the CBC broke the news on March 27, 2020, and the knowledge was within the public area.

“There was no point in shying back (once the information went public),” Zaidi stated on Wednesday.

Shandro stated he didn’t suppose there was something unsuitable with the incident on the driveway. He additionally stated he didn’t consider his conduct on the time had something to do with being a lawyer or a member of the LSA.

Questioning Shandro

Shandro was known as to the bar in 2005. He closed his observe shortly after being elected MLA for Calgary-Acadia however selected to maintain his membership with the legislation society lively.

“I take my duties to the law society very seriously,” Shandro stated when requested about his preliminary response to the LSA’s citations.

In that early response, Shandro wrote that the Alberta Medical Association (AMA) had leaked the driveway confrontation to the media.

But below cross-examination by LSA counsel Ken McEwan, Shandro admitted he didn’t have express data of who spoke with then-CBC reporter Charles Rusnell, who first broke the story, as an alternative inferring he spoke with the AMA given their advocacy efforts.

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“I don’t know who first spoke to Mr. Rusnell, no,” Shandro stated.

Shandro additionally admitted to having different inaccuracies in an early reply to the LSA round his name with Dr. Lauralee Dukeshire, a health care provider who attended the Red Deer Regional Hospital press convention.

Despite the maelstrom round a perceived battle of curiosity, the justice minister was questioned if he took steps to additional distance himself from the 50 per cent of voting shares in Vital Partners held in Shandro Holdings, a blind belief that lists his spouse as trustee.

“I have not, no,” Shandro stated.

Shandro famous the construction of the blind belief adopted the recommendation of the ethics commissioner who, in March 2020, discovered him to not be in breach of battle.

Doctor disagrees

Shandro’s cross examination was interrupted mid-afternoon when his lawyer Grant Stapon turned conscious of a tweet from Zaidi alleging Shandro “lied under oath.”

“When he came to my house he was crying, eyes were red, emotionally charged and yelling, his wife was holding him and accusing me,” Zaidi tweeted within the early afternoon, saying he was doing an interview with a member of the media.

When Zaidi returned to the listening to on Wednesday, he made it recognized that he was conscious of social media posts surrounding the listening to, however the listening to chair admitted the physician was not admonished to steer clear of social media, as witnesses would possibly throughout a prison trial.

After a non-public assembly to debate a treatment to the physician’s social media submit, listening to panel chair Bud Melnyk stated Thursday they might enable Shandro to publicly reply to the allegations Zaidi made on social media with out being in contempt of the listening to’s proceedings. But these replies might nonetheless be topic to questioning.

The listening to began the day in digicam as nicely, apparently discussing an inappropriate disclosure of personal info throughout Wednesday’s testimonies.

The conduct listening to was adjourned to a yet-to-be-announced date. Shandro’s cross-examination will proceed at that time and his spouse is anticipated to be known as as a witness.

If the tribunal decides to sanction the justice minister, sanctions might vary from fines and situations for observe to suspension or, on the most excessive, disbarment.